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"f86sabre" (f86sabre) 01/10/2019 at 21:46 • Filed to: Politics

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so, who’s going to blink first?

My guess is Donald. The democrats will do anything to deny him his wall. Anything. The Republicans realize it was a dumb campaign promise and was never supposed to be real.  

LongbowMkII > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:04

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Democrats. Just going by everything democrats have done since like 1980

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:07

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My prediction: he will lose more republican support, and will eventually declare “emergency”, which will immediately be met with legal challenge, make its way to the Supreme Court, where they’ll side with Trump, a Wall will be started, then a budget will be passed, Trump will claim victory, then Wall will have funding cut, Trump will throw a tantrum, and life will go on.

ttyymmnn > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:10

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And then there’s this asshole: Lindsey Graham calls on Trump to use emergency powers for border wall

This will remain at an impasse until some Senate Republicans grow a pair and oppose the President. It’s too bad those principled Senators like Jeff Flake left rather than stick around to oppose him. I can guarantee you (at least I hope desperately) that Schumer and Pelosi will keep House Democrats lined up behind them. I don’t see that as a problem. Eight House Republicans broke with Trump to get the IRS and Treasury reopened, though it had no hope of passing. Even if the Dems do crack, this idiotic wall will be locked up in eminent domain litigation for ages, long after Trump leaves office. It’s become a pathetic joke. If he pulls that emergency powers gambit, let’s see the House impeach him for abuse of power. THERE IS NO CRISIS. This is totally manufactured. Illegal border crossings are not rising. This chart is based on USCBP data .

ttyymmnn > LongbowMkII 01/10/2019 at 22:11

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Democrats never had a Trump to oppose. 

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:11

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Blink? Trump is going to declare an emergency within the next 10 days it seems and then raid military money. So much for all his criticism of Obama over using executive power when congress isn’t cooperating.

But there will be legal challenges and it’ll take long enough to get ramped up that he won’t really have much progress by next year.

All of this is just me  guessing.

His Stigness > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:13

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I don’t know. But Holy fuck.

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f86sabre > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 01/10/2019 at 22:14

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Likely this. 

f86sabre > His Stigness 01/10/2019 at 22:17

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Yeah

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 01/10/2019 at 22:19

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Graham is just trying to pass the buck. Republicans know the wall is stupid and doesn’t have much support outside of Fox and Friends and Cheeto’s mouth breathing base, so they want Cheeto to force the issue so they can claim plausible deniability.

I’d like to think the D’s will stand firm, but I don’t trust them much - however they do have the leverage here, and Congressional Republicans know it.

The longer this goes, the more likely it is that the Rs break rank, and Cheeto does something even dumber to claim victory. Like taking money from FEMA...

facw > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:23

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I’m guessing Trump goes to his emergency powers thing and orders construction. Then that gets immediately tied up in the courts, where I’d expect it to lose, but who knows. Regardless, once that process is started he caves on getting money for the wall through traditional means, and the budget can pass.

The government gets reopened, the Democrats get to call Trump out on abusing his power, maybe stop his wall (if t hey can’t they can blame the courts), Trump either gets at least some of his wall or if he doesn’t he can blame the Democrats and the c ourts. Seems like the way out of this stupid mess where no one has to take responsibility, which makes it the most likely outcome to me.

fintail > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:30

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This is the bestest distraction ever from the litany of other troubles piling upon the worst president ever and his band of cronies and sycophants (not to mention those there via nepotism).

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:32

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“and was never supposed to be real.”

You’re right because the White House budget was for only 1.6 2 months ago.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/budget-fy2019.pdf  

“ the Budget requests $1.6 billion to construct approximately 65 miles of border wall in south Texas”

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > fintail 01/10/2019 at 22:34

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So true. Headlines should be saying,”Yes, collusion!” And instead it’s about a stupid construction project

HammerheadFistpunch > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 01/10/2019 at 22:41

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This is exactly how I see it getting played out. The end result is people’s lives getting upended for literally nothing.

Urambo Tauro > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:42

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A quick recap :

ttyymmnn > fintail 01/10/2019 at 22:44

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I’m already popping popcorn for Cohen’s testimony before the  House Oversight and Reform Committee on Feb. 7. I hope he sings. 

ttyymmnn > His Stigness 01/10/2019 at 22:49

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Build a wheel and get Mexico to pay for it.

Urambo Tauro > His Stigness 01/10/2019 at 22:54

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What is this I don’t even

fintail > ttyymmnn 01/10/2019 at 22:54

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I think even a marginally skilled person should be able to play him like a fiddle.  Or maybe he’ll just do it in exchange for protection from polonium.  

someassemblyrequired > f86sabre 01/10/2019 at 22:59

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My guess is republican senators start to crack over the weekend.

If this drags on much longer, recession is inevitable.

His Stigness > Urambo Tauro 01/10/2019 at 23:03

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He looked and all the cars in the parking lot had wheels.

His Stigness > ttyymmnn 01/10/2019 at 23:04

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ttyymmnn > fintail 01/10/2019 at 23:04

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I’m hoping he is resentful as hell for all the dirty shit he had to do for Trump. Of course, he made his bed, but when the shit hit the fan Trump cut him loose. Not sure what expected. 

fintail > ttyymmnn 01/10/2019 at 23:12

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I am sure he has regrets, but if he was the type to sell his soul for 45 to begin with, I don’t know if he is capable of higher thought.  Trump’s loyalty record speaks for itself.

It also amuses me how this genius fixer appears to really  be a bit of a bumbling stooge.  Par for the course for a 45 crony, perhaps.

My bird IS the word > f86sabre 01/11/2019 at 02:14

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Well trump wants it, so it must be bad, right? everything he wants is bad.

Milky > My bird IS the word 01/11/2019 at 09:23

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Oh come on, thats barely even worth replying to.

Look at any facts about where drugs and/or immigrants come into this country.  

Brickman > His Stigness 01/11/2019 at 09:38

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So build the wall out of used tires! 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 01/11/2019 at 09:56

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The major problem is that there’s pretty much nothing legally stopping a President from declaring a state of emergency for any damn reason he chooses . We Americans are learning just how many more checks & balances we really need to limit executive power...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 01/11/2019 at 09:58

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He is, from what I’ve gathered. Pretty sure this was the turning point:

“ Maurice Cohen, a Polish Holocaust survivor, reportedly urged his son not to protect Trump and said that he did not survive the Holocaust to have his name “sullied” by the president, a person familiar with the conversation told the Journal.”

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > fintail 01/11/2019 at 09:59

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Pretty sure this was the turning point:

“Maurice Cohen, a Polish Holocaust survivor, reportedly urged his son not to protect Trump and said that he did not survive the Holocaust to have his name “sullied” by the president, a person familiar with the conversation told the Journal.”

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > someassemblyrequired 01/11/2019 at 10:04

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Republican senators/congressmen have nothing to do with this. They had a deal agreed on that went up for signature , and then Trump blew it all up. Rs aren’t negotiating because they know it’s pointless unless Trump is on board. The man (child) won’t listen to reason. This is between him and the Democratic leaders, and both sides are digging their heels in hard. 

someassemblyrequired > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 10:06

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If they think Pelosi will give in, they’re dreaming.   The wall is deader than disco - the choice is whether or not Republicans want a recession with their defeat.

Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW! > f86sabre 01/11/2019 at 10:11

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Someone they wer e interviewing on NPR said the only way he can save himself is to declare a national emergency to try and build the wall, get sued by land owners and local officials so that the wall doesn’t actually happen and he can tell his base that he tried everything to get it done. Ugh hate this guy. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > someassemblyrequired 01/11/2019 at 10:19

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The vast majority of Republicans didn’t want the shutdown (there are a few in Congress that got in Trump’s ear and pushed him to do this, plus Hannity, etc.). I think you’re right that Pelosi’s not giving in, but I don’t see Trump budging either. Pretty sure they call this an “impasse”.

someassemblyrequired > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 10:41

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Yep, he’s a lame duck now for sure at this point though, his agenda is done.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > someassemblyrequired 01/11/2019 at 10:56

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Sadly, he’s only a “lame duck” if the Democrats manage to put up a decent candidate in 2020... It’s hard to imagine that he could get reelected, but it was hard to imagine he could get elected in the first place. If unemployment stays low, if the economy gets back on track, if he gets some “wins” related to his tariffs somehow... I wouldn’t count it out just yet. Hopefully he’ll be impeached and removed before it comes to that. 

My bird IS the word > Milky 01/11/2019 at 11:15

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Im just sick of everything don't mind me.

someassemblyrequired > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 11:19

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Nope tax changes removing state/local deductions will hit hard over the next few months, combined with the effects of the shutdown and tariffs, economy will be in the tank by the end of the year .  I have a buddy in government in Canada, and they are planning for a U.S. recession in 2020 as part of this year’s budget.

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 11:30

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Can you link that whole article?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 01/11/2019 at 11:53

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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/403195-cohens-father-said-he-didnt-survive-holocaust-to-have-his-name

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 01/11/2019 at 11:55

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Any allegia nce Cohen once had to Trump has completely evaporated.

And he’s already going to prison, so he has nothing to hide. His testimony should be very powerful (not that any ardent Trump supporters will be swayed, but hopefully some Rs with a shred of a conscience left will reconsider their willingness to impeach).

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > someassemblyrequired 01/11/2019 at 12:04

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Recession seems likely, especially with China slowing down.

Oil traders (and the Dow Jones in general) seem fairly positive recently , though. Up almost $10 over the last couple weeks (still depressed for the year). Maybe just be a blip before more loses, though. 

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 12:14

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hopefully some Rs with a shred of a conscience left

I don’t think there’s much hope in that. In their desperation to hold onto their base, they are turning to Steve King , an bigot and white supremacist who claims he isn’t because he greeted “all Iowans” while seated at a desk with a Confederate flag on it.

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 12:16

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Thanks.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 01/11/2019 at 12:24

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That headline says “turning on” not “to”.

Clearly, most have gone all-in for partisanship to get whatever “wins” for their side they can while Trump’s in office, but I still hold out hope that the Mueller Report will be so damning that the House and S enate will both vote unanimously to impeach him. Completely pie in the sky thinking, I know, but this is what I feel like we need at this point to reset our political system and move forward.

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/11/2019 at 12:30

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That headline says “turning on” not “to”.

OH! Thanks. Reading comprehension FTW.

LongbowMkII > ttyymmnn 01/11/2019 at 13:35

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Democrats have had 15+ years to stand up to imperialism, violations of human rights , torture etc... and haven’t. Trump isn’t doing anything new, just saying the quiet parts out loud.